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TD Forum Feature-Interview 4

Frank Meng: The Development of TD-SCDMA Needs
the Combined Efforts from the Entire Industry Chain


Qualcomm in China
Wang Jing: Mr. Meng, thank you to take time to accept the forum interview. Qualcomm is one of the founding members and is among the most active members of the TD Forum. Every time, there are always a large number of Qualcomm personnel attending the events held by the Forum, paying special attention of various aspects of the topic. Today, I am delighted to have the opportunity to talk with you about several relative issues.
First of all, I notice that there have been a series of news indicating that your company¡¯s achievement in China is on an ascending trend. Would you like to introduce the general conditions of Qualcomm Inc. and Qualcomm in China?
Frank Meng: Thank you Dr. Wang. It¡¯s my pleasure to have such an opportunity. We find that the series of the interviews held by the forum did a lot to increase the influence of the TD-SCDMA Forum in and out of this industry. And since the forum is a place for us to exchange ideas and views as you just mentioned, we are happy to support it.
In the aspect of Qualcomm Inc., from our newly released Annual Report of 2007, we can find that our revenue in 2007 increased in comparison with that of last fiscal year, reaching 8.87 billion dollars. The chip and other operations have grown by a large scale and the number of chip output has reached more than 0.25 billion. The growth of Qualcomm¡¯s business, on the one hand is a result of the growth of the global mobile communications market, and on the other hand is due to the transformation of the global mobile communications from the 2nd generation to the 3rd, in which the transition from 2G to 3G is accelerated. Especially, as the EV-DO and HSDPA is getting mature, the steps of network transformation is quickened, which lays an obvious and favorable effect on the growth of Qualcomm¡¯s business. We had surpassed TI (Texas Instruments), becoming the world¡¯s largest wireless communication chip manufacturer in two successive quarters, Q1 and Q2 of this year. It is well known that Qualcomm has always been the largest fabless semiconductor company all over the world, but the revenue of a fabless semiconductor company is still much less than that of a company that has a fab. We successfully became the world¡¯s 9th largest semiconductor manufacturer in Q2 this year, being the only fabless company in the top 10, which is an evidence of our growth in the semiconductor-producing field.
And in the other aspect, I find our achievements in China very encouraging. In the past few years, Qualcomm¡¯s achievements in China have been growing by year. In the 2005 fiscal year, our revenue in China accounted for 11% of the company¡¯s total revenue, and last year, the number was 17%, and in the 2007 fiscal year, the number reached 21%. It shows that the growth of Qualcomm is greater than the average growth in the global wireless communication field, and that of Qualcomm¡¯s business in China is higher than that of Qualcomm as a whole. Therefore, I¡¯d like to conclude that the high growth speed is a result of Qualcomm¡¯s business model and our leading technologies, as well as the successful cooperation between Qualcomm and Chinese companies. We work together to create values.
Wang Jing: At present, the global communication industry as a whole is in recession, especially in China, but the achievements of Qualcomm Inc. is growing by year, and its large-scale growth in China is very surprising. Would you like to introduce the percentages of 2G and 3G operations in the aspect of chips?
Frank Meng: Basically, we have no 2G chips, only 3G chips, that is, CDMA2000 and WCDMA. And we no longer produce the old IS95 chips. Now, we only have 3G chips.
Wang Jing: Then, what are the percentages of WCDMA and CDMA2000?
Frank Meng: I have no separated figures to share with you. What I can tell you is that the global market of WCDMA came into being in 2004, and by the year of 2006, after the HSDPA became popular, we found its growth was accelerating; and there are over 400 million users all over the world. I think both fields are growing very fast.

? Step in, Step out and Step up

Wang Jing: Your business in China is mainly to provide chips for the Chinese market. And the mobile phone manufactures not only sell in China, but also to other markets.
Frank Meng: In China itself, there is neither WCDMA nor EV-DO operator. The terminal products produced by China¡¯s companies in cooperation with Qualcomm are mostly exported.
Wang Jing: How do you help them?
Frank Meng: We are cooperating in many aspects. Qualcomm has many offices in most of the markets of the world, and has very good cooperative relations with the global operators, including CDMA2000 and WCDMA. We have a good understanding of the demands of the operators to the terminals, and their long-term planning. And we have close cooperation with Chinese companies both technologically and in marketing.
Wang Jing: So you have the idea of ¡°Step in, Step out and Step up¡±?
Frank Meng: I think this idea can vividly describe the results of our communication with Chinese companies in the past 5 or 6 years. In recent years, with China¡¯s entry into WTO and the integration of global economy, the simplest way to make business is to step out - for cooperating companies, is to export the terminals to the other countries. On the other hand, from our understanding of the entire global market, we think that the Chinese companies should step up in terms of technology to realize their potentials, instead of confining their roles as the world¡¯s processing factories to produce and process some low-level products. They should stand on a high level from the very first step, targeting at the world¡¯s mainstream communication markets, for example, Europe and the United States. They should step up to advance technologically, and step into the mainstream markets in Europe and the United States.
Wang Jing: MediaTek is the largest company in China¡¯s GSM chip market, and Qualcomm is the top company in China¡¯s CDMA chip market.
Frank Meng: Yes.


? Fabless Business Model

Wang Jing: We find that the business model of Qualcomm is very special. First of all, Qualcomm is a fabless company, and your major businesses are chip and IPR.
Frank Meng: Our chip revenue accounts for about 60% of our general revenue, and that of IPR accounts for about 30%.
Wang Jing: Such composition of products is unique among the top companies of the world.
Frank Meng: Yes.
Wang Jing: That¡¯s why our business model is so widely talked about. I can be a little straightforward in raising the following questions. If we compare CDMA with WCDMA, and compare the previous CDMA IS95 with GSM, we shall find that the percentages of CDMA and GSM are extreme imbalanced. And it is the same case in China that the number of GSM users and that of CDMA differ to a very large extent. According to the outsiders¡¯ information, this imbalance is related to Qualcomm¡¯s IPR strategy. Would you like to comment?
Frank Meng: I believe that the emergence of this phenomenon is mainly resulted from the market politico-economic structure. There is no denying that the time of CDMA entering the market is later than GSM, and that¡¯s why we have been always emphasizing the importance of the time to enter a market. GSM entered the market earlier than CDMA, and usually the earliest entered technology takes monopoly in the communication industry because it is hard for a subsequent technology to squeeze in.
Besides, the big political environment in Europe is to expand the Union, and before that, i.e., in the late 1980s, the Europe is separated on the aspect of telecom, and GSM is used to unify Europe¡¯s second generation mobile phones. And the Europe had another rule, which is wrong from the perspective of technology neutrality, to bind spectrum with operators, as a result of which, the European operators could apply no technology but GSM.
In Asia, all the countries but Japan adopted the technologies of the United States or Europe. Since GSM was one step ahead of CDMA, most of the Asian markets adopted GSM, the earliest taking the most. In the early and middle 1990s, the world¡¯s mobile communication market structure was different from now. At that time, each market only had one or two state-owned operators. It was not until the telecom reforms in the late 1990s that many markets began to have different operators in the process of enterprise privatization. But, at that time, so long as one or two state-owned operators in a market adopted GSM, there would be some barriers for CDMA to enter.
Due to various reasons, GSM began to enter China only from the middle of 1990s, and the service of CDMA was not opened until January 8th, 2002. And this time gap laid a significant unfavorable impact on the popularization of CDMA. From this view the imbalance of percentages in fact has not much to do with Qualcomm¡¯s business model. It is a result of the much bigger global politico-economic system. I have a good example for this. It is usually said that CDMA is from the United States, and the United States shall adopt CDMA all over the country. But in fact, it is misleading. The United States is open to all technologies, and in its market, CDMA2000 and WCDMA take approximately same percentage, each takes half of the cake. I believe that it is a result of free market and the operators¡¯ freedom to choose their technologies. Therefore, we cannot jump to the conclusion that it is Qualcomm¡¯s model or someone else¡¯s model that lead to this result. I think they are both good technologies, and should adequately compete in the markets. And all the operators should pursue their differentiated services and their own values.
Wang Jing: It is really the case in the United States. And Verizon now has about 50 to 60 million users, and it is a CDMA operator.
Frank Meng: It is the world¡¯s largest CDMA operator, having over 60 million users.

? TD-SCDMA has Unique 3G Characteristics Which shall be Further Improved in the Market

Wang Jing: Qualcomm joined TD Forum from the very beginning, and paid constant attention to it. Now, TD develops to be such a significant scale, I¡¯d like to know Qualcomm¡¯s general evaluation of TD, in terms of technology, market future, and why China did this, and what¡¯s your understanding. Besides, would you like to elaborate on the plans of Qualcomm for the next year?
Frank Meng: TD-SCDMA is one of the three 3G standards accepted by ITU, and from the very beginning, Qualcomm has been paying much attention to this technology, and that¡¯s why we joined the forum when it was just established, becoming one of the founding members. In the past few years, we actively participated in its conferences and various activities. In our minds, TD-SCDMA is a 3G standard passed by ITU, which is based on CDMA technology. Qualcomm, as a promoter of CDMA technology, will play an active role in driving the global development of TD-SCDMA technology, and we hope it will be put into market as soon as possible.
In addition, compared with other 3G technologies, TD-SCDMA has very unique characteristics. There are three most frequently mentioned technologies, CDMA2000, WCDMA and TD-SCDMA, among which, CDMA2000 and WCDMA both belong to FDD technology, and so when they are adopted, there must be frequencies in symmetry.
Frequency is a scare resource in the globe, and we usually compare frequency to real estate in the air. Once used, it will be gone. However, there are still many irregular frequencies, even large blocks of frequency bands. They are not in symmetry and can by used with the TDD technology. And in the three 3G technology standards, TD-SCDMA is the only one of TDD system.
Frequency spectrum is like the land in a city, and technology is like the construction materials for buildings. And the task of the present industry is how to set up the building. Throughout the world, the TDD frequency is not well used. Therefore, we believe that TDD technology is very promising, and we hope that TD-SCDMA will be put into use very soon. That is why we are concerned with its progress and future industrialization.
And in Qualcomm, we have been focusing on researching different technologies of TDD, and we are especially paying attention to the progress of the TD-SCDMA industry and the evolution of the technology. However, up to now, we have not been involved in producing TD-SCDMA chips, but only concern ourselves with the trend of the commercialization of the entire industry.
In recent years, throughout the world, both CDMA2000 and WCDMA have been developing very rapidly. And for each company we shall invest a large amount of resources. To add the investment on another technology on the basis of the investment on the current one will be a great challenge to the companies.
Qualcomm has always been attaching great importance to technology investment. Our annual researching investment accounts for about 20% of our operating revenue, and in the 2007 fiscal year, the number amounted to 21%. This is a giant investment, and as to some technologies, what we did most is to pre-participate in or to observe, and will not decide the entry time and methods until the timing is appropriate.
Wang Jing: Most international companies take such steps because there is much work to do before taking the decision. But Qualcomm has been researching TD for a very long time, have you come to a certain conclusive idea about TD in terms of technology? Is there any problem with the technology itself? Is there any problem in networking?
Frank Meng: There is no problem in this issue. Many companies have participated in the researches of TD-SCDMA. So have Qualcomm. If it is technologically subversive, the insiders of this industry will have discovered it long before. I don¡¯t think there is subversive reason to say TD is technologically awkward so that it cannot be used.
Wang Jing: We insiders also agree with this conclusion. But it is proclaimed by you, it shall have greater significance.
Frank Meng: (Laugh) Our view about it is very like the early judgment on WCDMA. It needs all the participants inside the industry to spend more time to make researches, and it needs market for us to find and settle problems because many problems cannot be found until the network is employed and various terminals are put into use, for example, the problem of inter-connection between different terminals and network systems.
As we people in the circle of technology know, standard is one thing, and the actual product is another. So, only in the end can we find whether all the terminals and systems can be inter-connected. Many problems can only be discovered in practice. Just like WCDMA in its early stage, TD-SCDMA also needs a process to be improved.
Wang Jing: Now, I want to express some of my personal views. From the promulgation of the stand to the testing and to today¡¯s state, the actual research and development of TD-SCDMA products only began from 2002~2003. Up to now, it is only 4 to 5 years, and the learning curve is rather short. And the present participants of the system and the chips are still mainly some domestic enterprises. And the foreign companies mostly enter in the form of joint venture. Therefore, it is good to arrive at the current state.
Although TD-SCDMA is an international standard, its market is bound to be firstly flourish in China. But if this market is to be expanded, I think it is better to cooperate with world first-class producers, just as in the case of WCDMA and CDMA2000.
Frank Meng: All the communication products have network effects. Usually the network means a large global market. With a large network, it will be good to attract the producers to invest in and to expand the technology rapidly.
Wang Jing: At present, such world top mobile phone producers as Nokia and Motorola have different degrees of TD-SCDMA research and development plans. Qualcomm is a company beginning from IS95, and CDMA is of course critical for you. And meanwhile, you did well in WCDMA chips. And I want to know, from the perspective of market, whether you will get your hand on other technologies, and do you have any plan to research and develop TD?
Frank Meng: As I just mentioned, TD-SCDMA, WCDMA and CDMA2000 are three different 3G standards, and among these technologies, there are many differences, as well as things in common.
Qualcomm began to research and explore CDMA technology from the early 1990s, and we have plenty of experience in it. If we decide to shift from one technology to another, we can do it very rapidly. Besides, as a chip producer focusing on mobile communications, we have laid a firm foundation in CDMA2000, including chip construction and the platform concept. Therefore, I am confident that once we decide to have other new technology, we will get command of it very soon, due to our rich technological accumulation.
Wang Jing: You have another advantage in the development of service platform. The major difference between 3G and 2G chips is that the 3G chips undertake too many services, and therefore, it is not like 2G chips to well prepare everything for the mobile phone producers. If you make 3G chips, you must share the cake with the mobile phone producers, and you have to reserve an interface with adequate platform for them to do their job. Qualcomm has the famous BREW platform. Is it the kind of application platform?
Frank Meng: Yes, it is an application platform on the chip¡¯s software structure.
Wang Jing: Is it built-in?
Frank Meng: It is integrated in the chips. Maybe you won¡¯t use the functions; it is still made to be compatible with various technologies for different mobile phone producers to share.
Wang Jing: Is it interoperable between WCDMA and CDMA?
Frank Meng: Theoretically yes.
Wang Jing: Where does this product used at present?
Frank Meng: It is mainly used in CDMA.

? 3G Application is the Combination of Mobility and Broad-band Internet

Wang Jing: If TD continues to develop, how should it develop these applications?
Frank Meng: The difference of CDMA2000, WCDMA and TD-SCDMA lies in their air interface technologies. But their services provided for the users are basically the same.
Wang Jing: Right. The users do not understand the air interface, and they only want their mobile telephones to be good-looking, and have a full range of functions and applications, and containing meaningful information. Compared with the system, our TD mobile phones and their applications develop slowly due to the complexity of the 3G technology. As you just mentioned, the transmitting speed of 3D system is low some time before, but only when there comes the real high-speed data, like EV-DO of CDMA2000 and HSDPA of WCDMA, which enables the speed to reach 1M/s, will there be the demand in the market. Otherwise, the speed of 384K/s can never meet the operational demands.
Frank Meng: The transmitting speed will directly affect the user experience. From the perspective of consumers, 3G is the combination of mobility and broad-band internet. The new experience brought by CDMA2000 and WCDMA for users is surfing on the internet, but if the users find the speed is something like dial-up, they will not use it at all. Only after CDMA2000 is updated to EV-DO, and WCDMA to HSDPA, when the users find that it is just like go surfing on the broad-band internet at home, can they come to accept it.
I myself am a good example. In the past, when we go to the US on business, we had to use the broad-band connection in the hotels. Only so, can we connect with the outside world. Since there is EV-DO, we don¡¯t have to look for hotspots all over the place. And at that time, we find 3G is really useful.
Wang Jing: I think wireless surfing card is the most direct application of 3G, which is very promising. What is the average speed of EV-DO in the network of the United States?
Frank Meng: It reached 700 to 800K/s according to my own experience.
Wang Jing: So fast? It was only 30-40K when I used IS95 in Dallas.
Frank Meng: EV-DO, just as the broad-band connection in your home, can provide you with very good experience. Back in the year of 2003 and 2004, most of the media and market researchers in China declared that the 3G of the United States was much inferior to that of Europe, and some even believed this is due to the fact that the United States used CDMA2000. But you can see when the US operators have EV-DO, the speed of network construction is very quick. The uploading speed of the present EV-DO (having updated to A version) is also very fast, so it is popular for the Americans to use and enjoy 3G. And this, in turn, drives the WCDMA operators to accelerate their network construction, which will in turn provide even better services for the users. I think the United States is the best market where WCDMA and CDMA2000 are used.
Wang Jing: The United States is strongly inclusive, having all the different technologies. And China Telecom declared to use HSDPA next year. It seems that it will go with the trend.

? TD Adopts the Operator Tailoring System, which can Standardize the Market and its Application

Wang Jing: The number of CDMA mobile phones is much less than that of GSM phones, in term of design, style and quantity. There are many Chinese mobile phone producers in our forum. When talking about 3G, they still do not know whether they can do it. There are too many uncertain things about WCDMA, for example, all the matters concerning CDMA2000 need to be negotiated with your company. Then, why do you think CDMA mobile phone is not as prosperous as GSM phone in China¡¯s market?
Frank Meng: I think there are two kinds of reasons. On the one hand, the production scale is very important. Since GSM accounts for about 80% to 85% of the global mobile communication market, its scale is much larger than that of CDMA. It is no denying that GSM has the favorable scale effects.
On the other hand, the operators, especially in China, have not been involved in the purchasing of mobile phones. The producers themselves design and put out the terminals, and then again by themselves put the terminals into the market. The mobile phone producers undertake all the opportunities and risks. This leads to a large number of mobile phone producers and phone types. But without technological innovation, what you see is just a large number of different phone shells, and the producers are only competing on the battlefield of appearance and distribution channel.
But in fact, from the perspective of market economy, this is not a good way of resource allocation. And in view of scale effect, in foreign countries, when an operator is at it early stage, it shall use different kinds of mobile phones. However, when it grows strong enough, i.e., having about 20 to 30 million users, it will usually prefer tailored pieces. The tailored mobile phone has several advantages. Firstly, it can connect the service with the terminal and with its commitments to users: it can provide its target customers with tailored services, and the terminals are an integrated whole; secondly, the centralized purchase price of the operator is lower than the market price. And this fundamentally accords with the rules of market economy, or so to speak, of the capitalist production¡­
Wang Jing: In the United States, most of the mobile phones are tailored pieces.
Frank Meng: It is the same case in most parts of Europe. If you go to Europe, you will find the number of types of GSM mobile phones are no more than the CDMA phones in Beijing. Because the operators want to connect their services with customer loyalty, they have to closely involve themselves in the terminals. China is a relatively special market, i.e., our operators are only loosely related to the terminals, and there are too many mobile phone producers. But in fact, according to the market rules, the market just can¡¯t contain so many producers.
Wang Jing: So, it is not accidental that the domestic mobile phone producers experienced the so-called ¡°price dive¡±.
Frank Meng: Yes, it¡¯s true. We have foreseen this since long time before. When I just joined Qualcomm, I was also in charge of the chip department. At that time, China¡¯s CDMA producers were also subject to government approval, and there were 19 approved CDMA producers in total. When I visited the executives of those producers, I told them: ¡°This market cannot contain 19 producers, but at present, I don¡¯t know who can survive in the end. I promise I will go all out to support you to the end, to find out whether you can succeed.¡± We have no bias for or against any one, but in the end some will be looming large, and others fading away, which is how market works.
Wang Jing: Now we get back to the topic of TD. Do you think it is better for TD mobile phones to be tailored or just like those of GSM?
Frank Meng: I think they are better to be tailored. Since the market scale of China has developed to today¡¯s level, if it still takes the old way of state-owned enterprise having one producer in each region, it is no good to allocate the entire resources. But from the consumers¡¯ point of view, they actually do not care about whether your service is 2G, 3G or 1G, and they don¡¯t care about which air interface technology you adopt either. What they care about is the price, appearance, application and operability of the mobile phones.
What is the major difference between 3G and 2G services? It is the wireless application of data. We refer to 3G as the wireless internet, and the phone producers¡¯ task is to connect the wireless mobile equipments with the broad-band network. To make a phone call, one can use 2G mobile phones, or even 1G phones, if network is still available. But if an operator really wants to provide the 3G services, it shall have a lot of subtle things to do in constructing the platform and embedding these services in the terminals. So, if the operators can standardize the mobile phones, it will be good for the users as well as to the whole industry.
Wang Jing: I wonder if tailoring means that the pressure of the terminal producers shall be some what relieved because the operators will directly go to them for tailored mobile phones.
Frank Meng: Not necessarily. If the operators purchase tailored mobile phones, the time that the terminal producer spends in market will surely be shortened. But if the operators do not purchase its products, for once or twice, it will be out of the game. The US market is large, but each operator orders products only from a few mobile phone producers, instead of many. It conforms to the market rule for the operators to purchase tailored mobile phones.
Wang Jing: That is to say, all these things don¡¯t have much to do with the Intellectual Property rights?
Frank Meng: Right, they have nothing to do with IPR.

? Intellectual Property Rights will not Stand on the Way of TD Commercialization

Wang Jing: Now, people are also concerned with the Intellectual Property Rights, on which there are some different views. But it is known that the Chinese companies have a large share of the core technology of TD, especially in the part of air interface. What is unknown is the IPR of TD mobile phone. If TD is commercialized next year or in the future, will the IPR of TD become a barrier?
Frank Meng: I think IPR of TD will not stand in the way of TD commercialization for two reasons. First of all, in the past, for all the communication systems, IPR have always been a commercial transaction. The industry can handle it very well at last. It was never viewed as a barrier. Secondly, people usually talk about who has how much share of an IPR. In fact, it¡¯s a misunderstanding. What is relevant with IPR is to ¡°have¡± or to ¡°don¡¯t have¡±, right? When one producer uses the other¡¯s IPR, they can negotiate about their shares and cross-licensing. A responsible producer will firstly find out if it uses someone else¡¯s IPR when it develops a product. And if so, it shall think about how to negotiate with the IPR owner to get the license, and make the deal.
Wang Jing: It is about business.
Frank Meng: Yes. It is completely a about business.
Wang Jing: This will be a good explanation for our readers.
Frank Meng: I think so.
Wang Jing: It is meaningless to talk about the percentages.
Frank Meng: Those are the give and take between the producers. Even if when you go shopping for a dress, you shall not say that you must sell it to me at the price of 100 or 500 Yuan. So I think it is a problem the producers can settle. But the producers have to lay importance on it, which is favorable to the solution of the problem.
Qualcomm helped many producers in the developing countries with the model of IPR licensing. The traditional telecom model is that the producers shall do R&D themselves, and once they obtain the IPR, they do not license to the others. In the end, there will be only several big companies that can continue their R&D. Their technologies become better and better, but the others just can not afford to do it.
Qualcomm flattens the industry chain. It invest 20% of its annual revenue, which transforms into better technologies, and through the licensing, the medium and small enterprises all over the world, so long as they are ready to enter this industry, can get in contact with the technologies, and can get into competition.
For example, WCDMA, especially HSDPA we just mentioned, has been growing very fast for many years. In its growing process, Qualcomm took the lead, and we licensed the technology to our cooperating producers, especially the Chinese producers. So they became the largest mainstream suppliers of HSDPA cards. Therefore, I think this model has its advantages, and commercially sound. Up to now, there are more than 140 companies that have Qualcomm¡¯s CDMA licenses, and more than 80 have Qualcomm¡¯s WCDMA and TD-SCDMA licenses.
Wang Jing: Do you usually license WCDMA and TD-SCDMA together?
Frank Meng: Yes, because they are both inside 3GPP.
Wang Jing: Their charging percentages are identical?
Frank Meng: Yes.

? WiMax will not have too Much Influence over TD

Wang Jing: Thank you Frank. Your explanation about IPR is much clearer than I have expected. Here comes the last question. Qualcomm is also active in researches of future technologies, no matter LTE or UMB. What is the focal point of Qualcomm¡¯s future researches, and what¡¯s your opinion with such relevant technologies as WiMax?
Frank Meng: I think, Qualcomm as a technology enterprise, have its eyes over two aspects of the technologies. On the one hand, we shall invest much fund in basic technological researches; on the other, we shall keep in track of the future possible technologies. What you just mentioned, such as LTE, UMB and WiMax, are all based on OFDM, in which Qualcomm invested many years ago. And Qualcomm also acquired some companies which took lead in this field. Our investment in such mobile communication technologies will carry on.
From another perspective, it is about what are the views and demands of the entire market, especially of the operators. At present, the entire global mobile communication industry is divided into two groups, one is 3GPP and the other is 3GPP2 or WCDMA and CDMA2000. They have corresponding technological evolution path. Qualcomm, in order to support its customers, provides the operators with terminal systems. We actively and widely participate in the chip researches and the future technology researches.
WiMax has many traces brought from the original fixed access system. So we think it is more possible to take it as a wireless access system, instead of a mobile WAN to construct the network. I think it won¡¯t be constructed in the WAN until 802.16M arrives. However, I think its technological specs and the time entering the market shall be inferior to and later than LTE. How much market space it will have is still to be observed.
Wang Jing: The developing speed of WiMax and its current mature degree is not as good as expected.
Frank Meng: They¡¯ve gone roundabouts. The people stipulating the standards are very precise, and a single wording can be very important. But after the WiMax is put out, we find more about market promotions than other things. For example, WiMax boasts of the high frequencies, it is said that the frequencies of hundreds of Megabits or tens of G bits can be used over it. But they are gradually limited, and finally to the scope of 3G IMT2000. And in the aspect of TDD frequency, the stories are also changing. It at first insisted upon 802.16E WAN, but now upon 802.16M. To be frank, their changes are also a process of learning.
Wang Jing: You¡¯ve given me so much information. Thank you very much. Besides Sina.com, this interview will also be published on our own promoting platform. We have daily news, which has more than 2 thousand audience. I think this will be a very good communication among Qualcomm, members of the forum and people paying attention to TD-SCDMA.
Frank Meng: Thanks to the Forum, and we will continue to participate in it.
Wang Jing: Thank you very much.

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